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	<title>Comments on: The importance of place &#8211; a personal mashup of Richard Florida and Wikinomics</title>
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		<title>By: Europasionaria &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The mid-mid life crisis of the expat-generation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Europasionaria &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The mid-mid life crisis of the expat-generation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 00:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a new hobby, the kind of people that I am &#8211; people that have lived abroad, just think: “I need to move to another country”. As if changing country would solve [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Wendy - thanks for the thought provoking comment! Yes there is something that says &#039;not London&#039; in that the place doesn&#039;t give me the feeling of energy, fun, even joy that Berlin does. Maybe it&#039;s just too familiar for me. The housing is a drawback but it&#039;s not the most serious one I think.

Green space is important, not least because I need a place to go running. &lt;a href=&quot;http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;source=s_q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=Walthamstow+Marshes,+London&amp;sll=37.0625,-95.677068&amp;sspn=58.337319,99.931641&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;hq=Walthamstow+Marshes,&amp;hnear=London,+UK&amp;ll=51.572002,-0.044031&amp;spn=0.022699,0.048795&amp;t=h&amp;z=15&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Walthamstow and Hackney Marshes&lt;/a&gt; in North East London are the best place for that in London at least...

As for North American cities - I agree that in principle that cities like the ones you mention could be excellent places to live, but the problem is that I&#039;ve never actually visited any of those and would only realistically have the prospect of visiting Boston of the ones on your list before it&#039;s time to make a choice. I would also add Montréal to the list - it&#039;s a place I could see myself living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Wendy &#8211; thanks for the thought provoking comment! Yes there is something that says &#8216;not London&#8217; in that the place doesn&#8217;t give me the feeling of energy, fun, even joy that Berlin does. Maybe it&#8217;s just too familiar for me. The housing is a drawback but it&#8217;s not the most serious one I think.</p>
<p>Green space is important, not least because I need a place to go running. <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&#038;source=s_q&#038;hl=en&#038;geocode=&#038;q=Walthamstow+Marshes,+London&#038;sll=37.0625,-95.677068&#038;sspn=58.337319,99.931641&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;hq=Walthamstow+Marshes,&#038;hnear=London,+UK&#038;ll=51.572002,-0.044031&#038;spn=0.022699,0.048795&#038;t=h&#038;z=15" rel="nofollow">Walthamstow and Hackney Marshes</a> in North East London are the best place for that in London at least&#8230;</p>
<p>As for North American cities &#8211; I agree that in principle that cities like the ones you mention could be excellent places to live, but the problem is that I&#8217;ve never actually visited any of those and would only realistically have the prospect of visiting Boston of the ones on your list before it&#8217;s time to make a choice. I would also add Montréal to the list &#8211; it&#8217;s a place I could see myself living.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting discussion.  Based on the &quot;scientific&quot; approach, London was it.  But something inside you is telling you &quot;not London&quot; or you would not have posted the blog entry.  You mentioned the high cost of housing as one serious drawback. 

It also sounds like you value green space and a chance to escape the city as well as you value all the benefits a city of London offers.  

Not sure why you are against North America, as places like San Francisco, Seattle, Vancouver, Toronto, Denver, Boston would seem to offer what you are looking for (to name a few places): web design clusters; great urban spaces; easy to escape; English speaking; and housing is less expensive than London.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion.  Based on the &#8220;scientific&#8221; approach, London was it.  But something inside you is telling you &#8220;not London&#8221; or you would not have posted the blog entry.  You mentioned the high cost of housing as one serious drawback. </p>
<p>It also sounds like you value green space and a chance to escape the city as well as you value all the benefits a city of London offers.  </p>
<p>Not sure why you are against North America, as places like San Francisco, Seattle, Vancouver, Toronto, Denver, Boston would seem to offer what you are looking for (to name a few places): web design clusters; great urban spaces; easy to escape; English speaking; and housing is less expensive than London.</p>
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		<title>By: Recent posts on city branding &#171; Branding for Cities</title>
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		<dc:creator>Recent posts on city branding &#171; Branding for Cities</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] March 18, 2010 by Andrew Stevens    * Aaron M. Renn on The City as Platform * Jack Yann on the 2010s as the time of city brands * Jon Worth on the importance of place [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Claire / @kattebel - Fair point... I&#039;ll visit Washington for the first time in June, and am at a conference with all the top folks from the US online politics scene in New York just before that. So if those options are workable then I will be able to find out.

@Marianne - Are you being paid by Manu? But I think I need a city with more everyday, high level politics than that, much as I like Strasbourg as a city.

@Bente - thanks for the very detailed analysis! You do nail the issue about London - it&#039;s a &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt; big pool to work in, and being able to make some demonstrable change will for sure help. The quick visit I have planned to Oslo in April might help a little. And I can deal with cold, and I do know how to ski :-) But sadly I speak next to no Norwegian at the moment.

@Brusselsblogger - hmmm, yes. And to what extent is all of this just a reflection of the locations of the people who read the blog and comment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Claire / @kattebel &#8211; Fair point&#8230; I&#8217;ll visit Washington for the first time in June, and am at a conference with all the top folks from the US online politics scene in New York just before that. So if those options are workable then I will be able to find out.</p>
<p>@Marianne &#8211; Are you being paid by Manu? But I think I need a city with more everyday, high level politics than that, much as I like Strasbourg as a city.</p>
<p>@Bente &#8211; thanks for the very detailed analysis! You do nail the issue about London &#8211; it&#8217;s a <em>very</em> big pool to work in, and being able to make some demonstrable change will for sure help. The quick visit I have planned to Oslo in April might help a little. And I can deal with cold, and I do know how to ski <img src='http://www.jonworth.eu/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  But sadly I speak next to no Norwegian at the moment.</p>
<p>@Brusselsblogger &#8211; hmmm, yes. And to what extent is all of this just a reflection of the locations of the people who read the blog and comment?</p>
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		<title>By: Brusselsblogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brusselsblogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 05:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, currently London, Berlin and Brussels all have exactly 10 votes. Is that what you hoped for? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, currently London, Berlin and Brussels all have exactly 10 votes. Is that what you hoped for? <img src='http://www.jonworth.eu/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Marianne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 01:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eurodistrikt Strasbourg-Ortenau! You get the German touch the proximity of European politicians during EP weeks, fun local politics, and a challenging cross-border area where the Europe of tomorrow is being built :-)

But maybe taking some distance and moving, even temporarily outside Europe, could be salvating. What about joining the democrats team of Organizing for America for a few months?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eurodistrikt Strasbourg-Ortenau! You get the German touch the proximity of European politicians during EP weeks, fun local politics, and a challenging cross-border area where the Europe of tomorrow is being built <img src='http://www.jonworth.eu/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But maybe taking some distance and moving, even temporarily outside Europe, could be salvating. What about joining the democrats team of Organizing for America for a few months?</p>
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		<title>By: Bente Kalsnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bente Kalsnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only 1 percent has voted Nordic/German city (not me), but I’ll give you some reasons for looking to the North!

But first – if you want to keep doing what you’re doing, but in another city, you should go to London. I assume you have great opportunities and more than enough contacts to get an interesting and hectic job – even possibilities within party politics, as you say.

If you want change, real change, you should go the US or Scandinavia.  As Kattebel, I would recommend DC, fantastic city for a political geek like you. DC is pale compared to NY (culturally), but for someone interested in politics, media and technology, it is vibrant and kicking and powerful. But it takes some time to get under the skin of the city, you have to be patient with DC.

If you want to make a difference, you should go to Oslo. You have a unique techpolitics background, as well as your EU knowledge, which is not often found in this city. I’m convinced you will find an interesting way to use your resources (even though I can’t present a concrete job to you at this point), and I’m also equally convinced you can make an impact within the political/tech environment I’m hanging out in.
Because everything is smaller here, it is possible to start initiatives that will be noticed, in a different way than London. 
Oslo is also a city where you can have a life, in addition to work. Oslo is famous for having rush hour at 15, you can run in the woods, go sailing or play cricket (yes, here are several cricket teams) at 1630, and still have plenty of time for a beer at Mono (my favorite bar). Did I mention that Norway is one of the most gender equal countries in the world – that does actually make a difference in how people behave and interact. 

Oslo drawbacks: 
-If you don’t love skiing, the winter is long and cold. But global warming is helping us out, Ålesund on the west coast will become the new Biarritz!
- Oslo is expensive – as a tourist. But If you live and work here, your salary is higher than in Brussels. 
- Language. Only Norwegians speak Norwegian. Everyone speaks some level of English here, but if you really want to understand the society, you need to speak the language…
Not to forget, Norway is not member of the EU (maybe that should be your main focus, to change that fact…) 

Okay, I must admit, I’m paid by the tourist office of Oslo to write this. 
Anyway, you have a tough choice ahead. But focus on people – who do you want to play ball with in the near future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only 1 percent has voted Nordic/German city (not me), but I’ll give you some reasons for looking to the North!</p>
<p>But first – if you want to keep doing what you’re doing, but in another city, you should go to London. I assume you have great opportunities and more than enough contacts to get an interesting and hectic job – even possibilities within party politics, as you say.</p>
<p>If you want change, real change, you should go the US or Scandinavia.  As Kattebel, I would recommend DC, fantastic city for a political geek like you. DC is pale compared to NY (culturally), but for someone interested in politics, media and technology, it is vibrant and kicking and powerful. But it takes some time to get under the skin of the city, you have to be patient with DC.</p>
<p>If you want to make a difference, you should go to Oslo. You have a unique techpolitics background, as well as your EU knowledge, which is not often found in this city. I’m convinced you will find an interesting way to use your resources (even though I can’t present a concrete job to you at this point), and I’m also equally convinced you can make an impact within the political/tech environment I’m hanging out in.<br />
Because everything is smaller here, it is possible to start initiatives that will be noticed, in a different way than London.<br />
Oslo is also a city where you can have a life, in addition to work. Oslo is famous for having rush hour at 15, you can run in the woods, go sailing or play cricket (yes, here are several cricket teams) at 1630, and still have plenty of time for a beer at Mono (my favorite bar). Did I mention that Norway is one of the most gender equal countries in the world – that does actually make a difference in how people behave and interact. </p>
<p>Oslo drawbacks:<br />
-If you don’t love skiing, the winter is long and cold. But global warming is helping us out, Ålesund on the west coast will become the new Biarritz!<br />
- Oslo is expensive – as a tourist. But If you live and work here, your salary is higher than in Brussels.<br />
- Language. Only Norwegians speak Norwegian. Everyone speaks some level of English here, but if you really want to understand the society, you need to speak the language…<br />
Not to forget, Norway is not member of the EU (maybe that should be your main focus, to change that fact…) </p>
<p>Okay, I must admit, I’m paid by the tourist office of Oslo to write this.<br />
Anyway, you have a tough choice ahead. But focus on people – who do you want to play ball with in the near future.</p>
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