Comments on: Ireland just don’t NO

By: Eoghan

Eoghan — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:38:24 +0000

OK…first of all i am 19 year old irish citizen (just because i am young does not mean i am stupid)
i am in italy at the moment where Berlusconi is in charge…a mafioso and a “leader”..so basically corrupt.
now as i heard about the referendum coming up in ireland i decided to see exactly what the treaty of lisbon meant, i read about it on many sites and tried to figure out just what it meant for ireland…which i have to say was quite a task in itself.
so after a good few days of searching i finally found some sense in the complicated wording of the treaty.
if there was nothing to hide in the wording of treaty then i think the irish people who “dont know” might have voted yes.
it wasnt that we didnt know what we were voting for, it was the fact that so much was hidden that it was stupid to say yes.
and do you think it is stupid of people to say no when a yes vote means the privatization of the health board (if you cant pay you die, basically american style health)
, a yes meaning that we have the right to vote taken away from us.
i would like to trust the government, i would like to believe that the government wants the best for the people but in realality all it cares about is money.

the irish government was nearly all for the treaty bar sinn fein….but the people said no….so how many other countries citizens would say the same?
tell me why didnt any other country have a referendum?

By: Fran

Fran — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:39:44 +0000

The Vote the we have (The Irish) Was NOT about the lisbon treaty……… It was a vote on weather the government of ireland could change the Consitution or not. if we had sad yes we would not have a vote on anything again ever…..A vote not has not protected our right to have our say and europs right……

By: joop

joop — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:43:34 +0000

Vote NO, only the people of Ireland can stop this stupid treaty.

By: Jon

Jon — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:47:06 +0000

Sorry, I’m not dishonest. You’re blind. There are 2 comments from you already in the list, unedited, and those are the only 2 comments you’ve posted before. Nothing has been deleted. If you’ve tried to post something else then there was some kind of technical problem – I’ve checked all the e-mails I receive every time someone posts a comment.

By: Antoine

Antoine — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:37:21 +0000

Any chance to see my comment published ?

Unless you are completely DISHONEST ?

By: Trooper Thompson

Trooper Thompson — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 19:27:55 +0000

Ralf,

I oppose the treaty word for word, as I opposed the Constitution of Giscard D’Estaing. The intentions of the treaty is not beyond my grasp, I grasp it and I oppose it. The language that the treaty is written in is intentionally unfathomable, as Giscard himself said, nothwithstanding any last minute tinkering. To understand the treaty you would need a library of documents and a team of administrative assistants.

You may flatter yourself that you are my intellectual superior, and perhaps you are. That is immaterial. This is a political and philosophical disagreement, not an IQ test.

By: Ralf Grahn

Ralf Grahn — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 11:54:23 +0000

Trooper Thompson,

ValÃ©ry Giscard d’Estaing made his comment before various consolidated and even highlighted versions of the Treaty of Lisbon appeared. Try one of those, instead of demonstrating how much behind the curve you really are.

And if you don’t understand the Lisbon Treaty then, try reading my blog, where every stage of the long treaty reform process is laid out in detail, Article by Article.

If you lack understanding even after that, we return to square one. How can you shout for referendums if you have to admit to yourself that it is beyond your grasp?

By: Jon

Jon — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 08:45:46 +0000

@Trooper: lighten up! Of course people would not be kicked out of Belgium. And the very idea that I could somehow become Belgian is – equally – ludicrous. Just because you don’t agree with me doesn’t mean you have to ignore things that are tongue-in-cheek.

@Antoine: if you look at the contents of the rest of this blog you will see that I am not blind and naÃ¯ve, indeed I find myself becoming more and more cynical and bitter. But I can at least get up in the morning and not be paranoid about the world.