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	<title>Comments on: Gordon Brown and AV &#8211; no, not now Gordon</title>
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		<title>By: James Burnside</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Burnside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not clear whether the favoured system is AV for all seats, or AV plus a top-up (similar but not the same as the Scottish Parliament system) as recommended by Roy Jenkins back in the early days of the Blair government. Perhaps his statement later today will make things clearer, particularly as to what else he wants to change. For example, on Lords reform. 

It seems logical to me that the electoral system for the two chambers should be sufficiently different to ensure that one is not a clone of the other, so why not stick with fptp for the Commons and go for stv (perhaps based on the Euro constitutencies) for the other. A half-arsed voting system reform for the Commons without fully considering the implications for the Lords would be crazy. Moreover there are plenty other questions that need to be settled as part of a package... division of powers between the two chambers, should elections to both be on the same day, are both fixed term, how both of them handle European questions, are ministers to be drawn from both chambers (or just the commons), can a minister be brought in unelected, as with today&#039;s ministers in the Lords, can any minister appear before both chambers, would there be some sort of age/experience qualification on membership of the second chamber, how can the stranglehold of the parties be reduced in both chambers? Pretty much an endless stream of questions, the answers to which need to be balanced, and a reasonable degree of consensus achieved if change is to endure.

There&#039;s no way this can be sensibly resolved in the current political climate in the next year. As for holding a referendum on voting reform... what&#039;s that about?? for example: status quo vs AV? multi-option referendum? Is the status quo ok, yes or no? Pretty much any referendum question raises more questions than it answers.

Brown needs to be focusing on sorting out the economy, jobs, etc. Success in those areas will have the greatest impact on Labour support at the next general election. Last-minute constitutional tinkering will surely just piss off the voters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not clear whether the favoured system is AV for all seats, or AV plus a top-up (similar but not the same as the Scottish Parliament system) as recommended by Roy Jenkins back in the early days of the Blair government. Perhaps his statement later today will make things clearer, particularly as to what else he wants to change. For example, on Lords reform. </p>
<p>It seems logical to me that the electoral system for the two chambers should be sufficiently different to ensure that one is not a clone of the other, so why not stick with fptp for the Commons and go for stv (perhaps based on the Euro constitutencies) for the other. A half-arsed voting system reform for the Commons without fully considering the implications for the Lords would be crazy. Moreover there are plenty other questions that need to be settled as part of a package&#8230; division of powers between the two chambers, should elections to both be on the same day, are both fixed term, how both of them handle European questions, are ministers to be drawn from both chambers (or just the commons), can a minister be brought in unelected, as with today&#8217;s ministers in the Lords, can any minister appear before both chambers, would there be some sort of age/experience qualification on membership of the second chamber, how can the stranglehold of the parties be reduced in both chambers? Pretty much an endless stream of questions, the answers to which need to be balanced, and a reasonable degree of consensus achieved if change is to endure.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no way this can be sensibly resolved in the current political climate in the next year. As for holding a referendum on voting reform&#8230; what&#8217;s that about?? for example: status quo vs AV? multi-option referendum? Is the status quo ok, yes or no? Pretty much any referendum question raises more questions than it answers.</p>
<p>Brown needs to be focusing on sorting out the economy, jobs, etc. Success in those areas will have the greatest impact on Labour support at the next general election. Last-minute constitutional tinkering will surely just piss off the voters.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberal Conspiracy &#187; Brown&#8217;s stitch-up: why AV is not the answer</title>
		<link>http://www.jonworth.eu/gordon-brown-and-av-no-not-now-gordon/comment-page-1/#comment-123651</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberal Conspiracy &#187; Brown&#8217;s stitch-up: why AV is not the answer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Essential reading Antony Hook: Lib Dem should support AV (and Tories should stop lying) Jon Worth: Gordon Brown and AV - no, not now Gordon Mark Reckons: AV is not [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Essential reading Antony Hook: Lib Dem should support AV (and Tories should stop lying) Jon Worth: Gordon Brown and AV &#8211; no, not now Gordon Mark Reckons: AV is not [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ralf Grahn</title>
		<link>http://www.jonworth.eu/gordon-brown-and-av-no-not-now-gordon/comment-page-1/#comment-123650</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralf Grahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 02:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Constitutional reform is usually prepared on a broad political base, with public discussion, and enacted on a consensus basis in  the more fortunate countries of the world. 

The impression one gets is that neither Labour nor the Conservatives offer much hope for a modern British Constitution. 

Since the main parties seem wedded to their museum, although willing to shift a few pieces around, perhaps a forum of experts on comparative constitutional thought could take up the work of a mock constituent assembly in order to present a reasoned proposal for public discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Constitutional reform is usually prepared on a broad political base, with public discussion, and enacted on a consensus basis in  the more fortunate countries of the world. </p>
<p>The impression one gets is that neither Labour nor the Conservatives offer much hope for a modern British Constitution. </p>
<p>Since the main parties seem wedded to their museum, although willing to shift a few pieces around, perhaps a forum of experts on comparative constitutional thought could take up the work of a mock constituent assembly in order to present a reasoned proposal for public discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Griffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Griffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No pressing rush? Ideally there should be a pressing rush, though that doesn&#039;t mean it can&#039;t be done properly. If the Tories get in then meaningful reform will be set back another decade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No pressing rush? Ideally there should be a pressing rush, though that doesn&#8217;t mean it can&#8217;t be done properly. If the Tories get in then meaningful reform will be set back another decade.</p>
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