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		<title>By: Un EuropÃ©en jamais content &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Qui aura la peau de Jose Manuel Barroso?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Un EuropÃ©en jamais content &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Qui aura la peau de Jose Manuel Barroso?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] me joins donc Ã  mes petits camarades blogueurs europÃ©ens Jean Quatremer, Vxl et Jon Worth pour dÃ©noncer, Ã  mon tour, ce laxisme qui n&#8217;a que trop durÃ©. La suite se passe sur le [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] me joins donc Ã  mes petits camarades blogueurs europÃ©ens Jean Quatremer, Vxl et Jon Worth pour dÃ©noncer, Ã  mon tour, ce laxisme qui n&#8217;a que trop durÃ©. La suite se passe sur le [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.jonworth.eu/do-you-think-barroso-is-rubbish-if-so-then-help-us/comment-page-1/#comment-121291</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Richard, with respect I don&#039;t think everything the EU does is fantastic. There is a load of rubbish too, and I write about plenty of that here. It&#039;s just that - even with Barroso etc. - I think that having the EU, even as it is, is better than not having it at all.

I don&#039;t fall into one of the traditional pro vs. anti camps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Richard, with respect I don&#8217;t think everything the EU does is fantastic. There is a load of rubbish too, and I write about plenty of that here. It&#8217;s just that &#8211; even with Barroso etc. &#8211; I think that having the EU, even as it is, is better than not having it at all.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t fall into one of the traditional pro vs. anti camps.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard P</title>
		<link>http://www.jonworth.eu/do-you-think-barroso-is-rubbish-if-so-then-help-us/comment-page-1/#comment-121290</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon

Of course Barrosa is smug and complacent.  Because he knows twats like you (and me) have no earthly way of removing him from his nice comfy post as head of the EU, with substantial perks and a big fat pay cheque and pension.

Its called democracy.

And there is no democracy in the EU.

So why people like you (not me) keep on thinking the EU is such a wonderful thing is beyond me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon</p>
<p>Of course Barrosa is smug and complacent.  Because he knows twats like you (and me) have no earthly way of removing him from his nice comfy post as head of the EU, with substantial perks and a big fat pay cheque and pension.</p>
<p>Its called democracy.</p>
<p>And there is no democracy in the EU.</p>
<p>So why people like you (not me) keep on thinking the EU is such a wonderful thing is beyond me.</p>
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		<title>By: Trooper Thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.jonworth.eu/do-you-think-barroso-is-rubbish-if-so-then-help-us/comment-page-1/#comment-121242</link>
		<dc:creator>Trooper Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thiry,

Oui, c&#039;est vrai qu&#039;il faut changer de voie politique, mais le problÃ¨me n&#039;est pas Barroso, c&#039;est le systÃ¨me anti-democratique de l&#039;UE. 

L&#039;UE a suivi une politique de dÃ©rÃ©gulation parce que cette politique est contre la souverainetÃ© des Ã©tats membres, qui est le seul obstacle du globalismedu modÃ¨le anglo-saxon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thiry,</p>
<p>Oui, c&#8217;est vrai qu&#8217;il faut changer de voie politique, mais le problÃ¨me n&#8217;est pas Barroso, c&#8217;est le systÃ¨me anti-democratique de l&#8217;UE. </p>
<p>L&#8217;UE a suivi une politique de dÃ©rÃ©gulation parce que cette politique est contre la souverainetÃ© des Ã©tats membres, qui est le seul obstacle du globalismedu modÃ¨le anglo-saxon.</p>
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		<title>By: Thiry</title>
		<link>http://www.jonworth.eu/do-you-think-barroso-is-rubbish-if-so-then-help-us/comment-page-1/#comment-121235</link>
		<dc:creator>Thiry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Je n&#039;ai pas lu tout ce que vous avez Ã©crit sur Barroso.
Je ne sais qu&#039;une chose, cet homme est un ultralibÃ©ral. Il mit l&#039;europe Ã  genoux et dans l&#039;orniÃ¨re oÃ¹ elle se trouve Ã  l&#039;heure actuelle. A Ã©couter tous ses pairs, ils vont nous sauver. La droite et une mauvaise gauche ont  tout privatisÃ©. Maintenant que la libre concurrence Ã  outrance, que la dÃ©rÃ©gulation et autres mensonges ont montrÃ© leurs limites et leur Ã©chec, il est peut-Ãªtre temps de changer de voie politique. Si nous gardons Mr Barroso, nous continuerons Ã  jouer du mauvais cÃ´tÃ©. Il a prouvÃ© son incompÃ©tence. A nous de mettre quelqu&#039;un d&#039;autre qui ne pourra qu&#039;Ãªtre plus valable Ã  sa place.
Bonne soirÃ©e Ã  toutes et tous, et bon choix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Je n&#8217;ai pas lu tout ce que vous avez Ã©crit sur Barroso.<br />
Je ne sais qu&#8217;une chose, cet homme est un ultralibÃ©ral. Il mit l&#8217;europe Ã  genoux et dans l&#8217;orniÃ¨re oÃ¹ elle se trouve Ã  l&#8217;heure actuelle. A Ã©couter tous ses pairs, ils vont nous sauver. La droite et une mauvaise gauche ont  tout privatisÃ©. Maintenant que la libre concurrence Ã  outrance, que la dÃ©rÃ©gulation et autres mensonges ont montrÃ© leurs limites et leur Ã©chec, il est peut-Ãªtre temps de changer de voie politique. Si nous gardons Mr Barroso, nous continuerons Ã  jouer du mauvais cÃ´tÃ©. Il a prouvÃ© son incompÃ©tence. A nous de mettre quelqu&#8217;un d&#8217;autre qui ne pourra qu&#8217;Ãªtre plus valable Ã  sa place.<br />
Bonne soirÃ©e Ã  toutes et tous, et bon choix.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralf Grahn</title>
		<link>http://www.jonworth.eu/do-you-think-barroso-is-rubbish-if-so-then-help-us/comment-page-1/#comment-121187</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralf Grahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Central Scrutiniser, 

Everywhere the connection between politically elected ministers or boards and civil servants is a complicated issue. 

But there is no denying that the European Commission is a political actor in an increasing number of policy areas. Ultimately, the impartial and technocratic model  does not fly. 

Ideally, the Commission should be accountable to and elected by the European Parliament, itself elected by the citizens of the EU. 

But in spite of politically accountable &quot;ministers&quot; the Commission would be a civil service. 

I agree in that I trust unelected judges and civil servants more than elected ones. 

Without thinking deeper about the merits of elections as a panacea, I once wrote a blog post about the unelected House of Lords supporting the unelected Commission. 

The EU Committee of the House of Lords does quality work on many EU issues, and the same can be said about the Commission in many cases (despite somewhat worrying trends towards secretariat status).

Anyway, failure to open up a real competition for the post of President of the Commission is a fundamental self-indictment by the European political parties. 

I hope that the European blogosphere will keep reminding them of this daily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Central Scrutiniser, </p>
<p>Everywhere the connection between politically elected ministers or boards and civil servants is a complicated issue. </p>
<p>But there is no denying that the European Commission is a political actor in an increasing number of policy areas. Ultimately, the impartial and technocratic model  does not fly. </p>
<p>Ideally, the Commission should be accountable to and elected by the European Parliament, itself elected by the citizens of the EU. </p>
<p>But in spite of politically accountable &#8220;ministers&#8221; the Commission would be a civil service. </p>
<p>I agree in that I trust unelected judges and civil servants more than elected ones. </p>
<p>Without thinking deeper about the merits of elections as a panacea, I once wrote a blog post about the unelected House of Lords supporting the unelected Commission. </p>
<p>The EU Committee of the House of Lords does quality work on many EU issues, and the same can be said about the Commission in many cases (despite somewhat worrying trends towards secretariat status).</p>
<p>Anyway, failure to open up a real competition for the post of President of the Commission is a fundamental self-indictment by the European political parties. </p>
<p>I hope that the European blogosphere will keep reminding them of this daily.</p>
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		<title>By: Central Scrutiniser</title>
		<link>http://www.jonworth.eu/do-you-think-barroso-is-rubbish-if-so-then-help-us/comment-page-1/#comment-121185</link>
		<dc:creator>Central Scrutiniser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can only agree with Ralf on this last point. Taken together the eurobloggers deserve credit for for bringing forward an issue that otherwise would not be so fully debated. Democracy, as Churchill pointed out, has little in its favour until you compare it to the alternatives. Partisan behaviour is part of democracy, however mean and petty it may appear.

A permanent, professional, independent civil service is a necessary component of democracy - and that is pretty much what you have in the Commission. The Commissioners themselves are in that sense something of a compromise, being appointed by the elected leaders of the nation states that comprise Europe instead of rising through the ranks of the service on merit. 

This compromise allows Commissioners a legitimate political role which often appears odd to any student of public administration in the UK. But it doesn&#039;t look odd to a student of French or German public administration.

Perhaps we should be bolder in our notions of democracy and follow the US model where all public officials of high rank are elected. But the idea of democratically elected police chiefs and judges does not appeal to me. I want qualified professionals running these public services under the responsibility of someone who is subject to parliamentary scrutiny. 

I don&#039;t hear anyone calling for democratic elections to select the Judges of the Court of Justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can only agree with Ralf on this last point. Taken together the eurobloggers deserve credit for for bringing forward an issue that otherwise would not be so fully debated. Democracy, as Churchill pointed out, has little in its favour until you compare it to the alternatives. Partisan behaviour is part of democracy, however mean and petty it may appear.</p>
<p>A permanent, professional, independent civil service is a necessary component of democracy &#8211; and that is pretty much what you have in the Commission. The Commissioners themselves are in that sense something of a compromise, being appointed by the elected leaders of the nation states that comprise Europe instead of rising through the ranks of the service on merit. </p>
<p>This compromise allows Commissioners a legitimate political role which often appears odd to any student of public administration in the UK. But it doesn&#8217;t look odd to a student of French or German public administration.</p>
<p>Perhaps we should be bolder in our notions of democracy and follow the US model where all public officials of high rank are elected. But the idea of democratically elected police chiefs and judges does not appeal to me. I want qualified professionals running these public services under the responsibility of someone who is subject to parliamentary scrutiny. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t hear anyone calling for democratic elections to select the Judges of the Court of Justice.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralf Grahn</title>
		<link>http://www.jonworth.eu/do-you-think-barroso-is-rubbish-if-so-then-help-us/comment-page-1/#comment-121180</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralf Grahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trooper Thompson, 

As long as the EU citizens are unable to set the course and elect the rulers the European Union has some, but not enough legitimacy. 

The Anyone But Barroso campaign seeks progress in one important aspect of EU democracy, and for this Jon Worth and a number of eurobloggers deserve credit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trooper Thompson, </p>
<p>As long as the EU citizens are unable to set the course and elect the rulers the European Union has some, but not enough legitimacy. </p>
<p>The Anyone But Barroso campaign seeks progress in one important aspect of EU democracy, and for this Jon Worth and a number of eurobloggers deserve credit.</p>
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